'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

Postby bloodwood on Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:09 am

* the BSTI Café last night on re-skilling (thanks for * great evening!!), * the end of the night Dominic brought forward the question of * we planning to go ‘back’ to * simpler life from the past, or * we going ‘forward’ into something new. I want to frame this question in terms of two key ideas from Transition Towns literature: ‘re-localisation’ * ‘energy descent’. The main * of the Transition Initiative is to develop * community-based energy descent * plan, * re-localisation is considered * necessary * practical part of energy decent.

I suggest * great deal of the interest in ‘old’ skills can be usefully thought of * part of * re-localisation process in which the community becomes more self-reliant than we * * present. * the same time old skills can be part of energy descent if those skills produce things using less energy.
But there’s * the reality that we rely * great deal on 'modern' stuff like the internet * computers for * sorts of things, including for communication * ourselves in the community. Things like car-pooling, local trading systems, * skills databases can be immensely efficient * very easy to * if we use internet interactions via computer.

Now there’s just no way we can ‘localise’ the materials * skills needed to make, repair * run internet systems. By their nature internet systems rely on immense capital-intensive industries with global reach. But * the same time internet systems enable us to do * great number of things using much less energy – so internet systems could be key parts of * energy descent * plan.

So here’s the crux: SOME things can be re-localised – * should be. But some very useful things CAN’T be re-localised – but we may still want to rely on them because they * so useful. Obviously, though, we can’t really fully rely on them because their global nature means they * vulnerable to * sorts of disruptions beyond our local control.

What can we do with this? Can we develop * * of relying on those 'global' systems only when they * there? I take this * with mains power * home: our place often has black-outs, so many crucial systems – water, sewer, heating, cooking, internet * phone – don’t depend on constant mains. * community-wide * could be something like the regular floods in Bello. Most of the year * our roads * bridges * passable, but sometimes they *’t. When * flood’s happening, well-established residents go into * different ‘mode’ of living, * we * prepared for this mode * the time with food stores, gumboots, battery-driven radio, safe patterns of travel etc.

* key to safety in the floods is being prepared to * one’s plans rather than ‘keep soldiering on’. To me this is one of the most delightful * beneficial * of the floods: the whole town kind of pauses – shops * schools * closed, people walk * great deal, stay * home * lot, etc. Everything becomes much more ‘local’ – for * short time. Then things return to 'normal.

Perhaps, then, we could learn from this example of floods, that it's possible to 'change mode' (* enjoy it!) when some systems or resources *'t *? So that 'local' systems * seen * crucial while non-local systems * seen * '* on * good day', or something? So we still can rely on non-local systems in * general way but not moment-to-moment, like for food or water or pooh. I'm not convinced * this - it's just * suggestion...

In summary, I’m wanting to explore how re-skilling * re-localisation is part of the overall energy descent goal, what * the limitations to the * of re-localisation, * can we fit re-localisation * * continued use of global systems to encourage energy descent.

Sorry * the long post - didn't know how to say it shorter... David B.
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Re: 'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

Postby garfish on Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:47 pm

I totally * David.
I think the most important thing is to be * to change * need to cope with local, regional, national * global events * pressures.
Localisation is very important not only to cope with the energy decent but * for community resiliance more local employment, local services, produce etc.
The governing factor in how far "backwards" we slide * how much useful modern technology plays * part in the transition * the post decent community is the gradient of the decent * therefore there driving factors eg peak oil, natural disaster, pandemic etc.
With steeper gradients we may lose things like the internet, major transport lines, phone systems etc very quickly. With * gentler gradient many of these system can * will play * major roll in the decent * the destination. Should we be palnning for the steepest gradient * therefore be * to cope with * gentler gradients?
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Re: 'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

Postby Sean on Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:53 am

That is * very good question. To some extent I feel the * is yes. I believe people should be prepared for the most uncomfortable outcomes, but not be completely * by them. It's the fine line between revolving the future * your life * vice versa. * if * of the focus is positioned on only one outcome, than perhaps people will forget * other * * *, * thus be dumbfounded when something unexpected pops up.
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Re: 'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

Postby garfish on Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:59 pm

Yes Planning for the worst case senario but working towards * medium to high technology localised outcome is very important. Having goals that give people hope for the future is important * the psyche of the community plays * major part in what outcomes * *. I * don't underestimate the hidden or locked * inventions &*; patents. The petroleum companys like their dollars too much not to be protecting their incomes with * technology.
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Re: 'Old' skills or 'going forward'?

Postby Nick on Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:51 pm

My view is that we need to take into * * range of possible scenarios in * planning - this is the * of the Maribynong Peak Oil Policy which I've posted * the Local Government thread. By its nature we cannot * predict or know the future &*; so it would seem in some ways foolhardy to structure our thoughts * * * * single scenario, however much * one of us might see that scenario * the most probable or likely. Of course, it is worth saying that our thoughts * * in the present will have * direct impact on the sort of future we collectively create &*; experience, i.e. if we * now to deepen &*; strengthen community spirit &*; solidarity then when / if TSHTF - so to speak - we * more likely to work cooperatively * creatively to deal with it rather than descend into individualised nastiness &*; recrimination. But of course part of our planning has to deal, in my view, with the possibility / likelihood that nastiness may well manifest from within * outside the community (indeed it * is doing so * has been for some time).

Plan for the worst &*; the best &*; everything in between, * work tirelessly to create the best. Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will (not my words of course - * Gramsci writing from one of Mussolini's dungeons).
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